and ministers and power-hungry people. it seems like it is not very different in spite of maybe the advancement and technology and everything else. a lot of things remain the same. >> especially in that scene where pilate meets jesus for the first time. there is a whole scene about when pilate asks jesus, what is truth? you know that pilate knew he was innocent. you knew that he knew the truth, but for political expediency, he was basically willing to condemn the man because it suited his political purpose. that still happens today. >> and you had the scribes, the leaders, they wanted him out of the way because he was a threat to their power. isn't that what is going on today? >> absolutely, humans haven't changed much today. >> we added a scene in there to show the ruthlessness of pilate