was. there are plenty of pieces of evidence to suggest that something was very well planned. to begin with, they started by cutting fiberoptic cables for level 3 communications. >> underground. >> underground in vaults. very difficult to lift those lids. they knew just what to cut, they cut it in such a way it was thoord repahard to repair. then they moved to a substation and damaged a piece of equipment that could cause great damage without causing a fire or something that would be a massive explosion or fire that would have attracted attention. as you know, judge, this substation sits right next to a major freeway, so there are people passing by at all times of night. i don't think they wanted to draw attention. >> in addition, they had the ak-47 almost sharpshooting, military style raid for almost took out how many transformers? >> they took out 17. and the thing that's important to note, the utility will say, you know, it's bad, but people