how long were you president of this company? >> five-and-a-half years. >> what made you want to retire? >> i felt that my spiritual experience was incomplete. >> many folks head to church and leave god behind for the workweek. >> i made the mistake and felt prayer was a sunday only activity and worship was a sunday only activity, and until i decided to bring it to the workplace. >> you really pray, even at work. >> i do. in fact, it's not an exaggeration to say i pray 10 to 15 times a day during most of my working lifetime. >> do you stop what you're doing? >> yeah. it was typically very short. i never prayed to make sales objectives or product goals. it was always about the way i