they're correct or not, but that's undeniable, where the american people are. and i think rand paul represents some truly heart-felt feelings that can't be waved away just by insults. jon: so, alan, what do you think? do you think -- well, you tell me what you think. >> oh, thank you. [laughter] well, for one thing, i agree with jim that you can't just wave this away by insulting rand that rand paul and peter king have both with made noises about seeking the republican nomination for president 2016, i think that's really what this sniping is about mostly from peter king's stand point. you know, he shouldn't be a senator, he said. i think rand paul, i'm with rand paul on snowden, but i would go even further and say snowden, i'm not sure he deserves time in prison. he deserves a trial first before we determine he should have prison time. i think east more a hero than a traitor. jon: there are a lot of questions, jim, as you have pointed out quite frequently, about what the federal