health care reform in massachusetts never came true. they're the same arguments that you're hearing now. businesses didn't stop covering workers. the share of employers that offered coverage increased. care didn't become unaffordable. costs tracked what was happening in other places that wasn't covering everybody. >> but it's expensive. look at this. they spent -- let's call it $10,000 per person in 2009. that's 36% higher than the national average of $6800. the majority of them still say they like romney care? why? >> the choices made by massachusetts voters are often mystifying to me, but if you had governor romney in this chair, he would point to differences between romney care and obamacare. i don't think they're significant. one of them is polling. it was popular when it was proposed and it remains popular