charity? i the think so. i threw that question back to ted turner. >> if bill gates says look i am good at making money. >> that's ridiculous. >> i tried to argue this with tud tu ted turner. he wasn't buying it. am i wrong if bill gates gives nothing to charity. off awe wouldn >> this is why people don't like newsmen. i am a newsman too. i know your dirty tricks. there is nothing more to say. good-bye, i am walking off the set. >> since he didn't want to talk about it. let's take the question to ben powell, he runs the free market institute at texas tech. so, ben? >> i'm not bothered if they don't give more of it away. they make money by making our lives belter. they are helping people making a profit. often the best way they can go about helping people. >> when they make a profit, and they hire people, those jobs live on -- for years. and people use the it to --