systems in jerusalem. he built the fortress palace, and he built where we are now, herodium, another fortress palace. >> he's respected as israel's greatest builder, but reviled as a paranoid mad man who killed his wife, three of his children and jewish rabbis. in matthew's gospel, when the wise men followed the star and asked herod where the king of the jews has been born, he commands his soldiers to kill all the babies in bethlehem. the slaughter of the innocents. would mary and joseph have felt oppressed in a sense? >> i would have in their position. already feeling threatened, you know, just from the years of roman rule that this would have been a very intimidating place for them.