difficult situation. but on the other hand, i can tell you that it's just not a good deal for america. i mean, we're -- it fails to deal with the fundamental problem of a national debt that continues to grow at an alarming pace and that threatens our economic future and is destroying jobs right now. bill: paul ryan said it'd be a bad idea to encounter two possible government shutdowns -- >> well, i'm not in favor -- bill: in 2014. is he right or wrong about that? >> i don't want a government shutdown. and that's why i oppose this deal, because i think this budget actually contributes to the day when we're going to have a real shut down of government not because the congress can't pass a law, but because we have a debt crisis. and we've got to begin to deal with that. every year, every time we're asked to vote for something up here on the budge, it's always, well, we'll wait for the future to deal with the serious issues we confront as a country, and this is one more example. we're now being asked to wait two more years before anything meaningful is done, and i just don't think we have that time anymore. bill: you enrolled your family