from my memories, martha, i remember his big soft hands. we both loved boxing. my dad was a boxing trainer. mandela was fascinated at that time by mike tyson and american boxers, muhammad ali. we talked a lot about boxing. he was a poet. he was a great world leader and inspiration to so many, but not a guy who was self-possessed. unlike at love politicians. interested in the world, other people. wanted to know about american politics. fascinated by the american civil rights movement. martha: i think that is such an important point that you make about him and he was, he was sort of regal. he had a very regal bearing and yet he was humble which is such a great combination. >> awesome. i was remembering that when he came to the 50th anniversary of the united nations opening in new york, all the world leaders were around obviously and yet somehow mandela stood out as a leader among leaders because they all flocked to him. they all wanted photos with him