you go back to the show and let's hear it again. >> you believe there will be rationing aka death panels. >> it's built into the plan. it's not like a gas or a judgment. that's part of how costs are controlled. >> he's explicit that he believes this is coming. then he goes on and challenges the media for its coverage of the law and says that the media needs to be much more explicit in covering this particular aspect of it, the ipab and what it's going to mean for people and their care. now, i can ask you, when you have tried to speak out about this issue before, what kind of feedback have you gotten, and have you had a lot of people interested in having a full, tree and fair discussion with you about your predictions about this board? >> well, look. halperin wants to sell books to democrats, and he wants to sell books to republicans. and so he doesn't want to alienate either side, and i understand that. >> with the truth? >> but he had it right the first time. and this gets -- you know, to your question, which is when you try to have a rational