correct? >> yes. he was. he was the one that probably received the calls, and this is very hard for me to say, but he was the one that would be begging, begging to have help sent. as he had done previously, and they turned him down telling him that they can't. that you're on your own. you're on your own. there's no help coming. can you imagine how anybody would feel? knowing that? >> well, no, i can't, but, you know, pat, when we heard from members of the intel committee that, you know, they actually heard the voices, i mean, shouldn't you be entitled to know 0, especially since the call was froms consulate, where your son was? shouldn't you be entitled to at least hear your son, if it was him, or to know whether it was him? >> well, he didn't call me. it wasn't me. so -- no, i don't expect to know