are getting is going to impact holiday shopping plan. >> there is any way this won't effect shopping. first of all the debacle with the web site it's a parable showing that government really has trouble accomplishing anything that business does every day have always operated web site done so without this kind of job? would you you have fired people for this? if this happened in the days you were larging toys' largest retailer. >> it wouldn't have i started a web site a long time agricultural gore and i started the internet together. i started target.com from scratch years ago. you plan these things out months and months in advance and test them thoroughly. >> three years to work on them. >> never get to the point of launch without knowing it's going to work. no possibility. people would have stayed up nights and weekend to make sure it happens. that is what happened in private enterprise. >> the president saying he was unaware of this? >> not whether he is aware of it or not, it's not believable that someone wasn't aware of it. i think very strong civil service in our country. the problem is that political appointees are all