questioned and kathleen sebelius, they continue to stonewall and say they can't give the official count of six. >> we will not have those numbers available until mid-november. >> we will have those numbers available in mid-november. >> we will get those numbers in mid-november. >> chairman camp, we'll have those numbers available in mid-november. >> we will also have that information available in mid-november as well. >> do you have data on how many people in general in the united states have tried to enroll in a plan through this website? >> no, sir, we do not have any reliable data around enrollment, which is why we haven't given it to date. >> the numbers were taken from the notes for those who were in the war room at the meetings with the medicaid services task who were implementing obamacare and that person walked out with notes that said there were six. there's actually five, five different issuers and six different people. >> i believe it is darrell