to pay furloughed federal workers when the shutdown ends. on october 8th, pressure began to mount telling the house speaker he refused to negotiate over the debt ceiling, and just yesterday the house voted to pay for halted death benefits to military families. so here we are today. we'll see if this is a break in the talks. jon: for more on the shutdown standoff, let's talk about i it with jonah goldberg, editor at large of national review online, also a fox news contributor. is that glacier about to thaw, jonah? >> it looks like it's -- from what i understand of the conversation going on on the hill, this looks, actually, pretty good. you know, the republicans who are taking a worse beating than the democrats as a generic matter are actually winning certain aspects of the message war. that's one of the reasons why harry reid switched some of his fewer in y'all rhetoric -- i'm sorry, he just looks like an undertaker to me -- from we will never negotiate, we must not
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