disastrous effects president obama said it was going to have but it's squeezed different plays and one of the things you provide equipment to is veterans hospitals. are you concerned that when they come back and washington can't get anything done, that's going to be an even greater worry for your business? >> well, yes, i am. the sequester didn't affect us deeply. it did impact our department of defense business in a negative way. but that seemed to be offset with growth in the department of veteran affairs which, of course, was not included as part of the sequester. but if you have a government shutdown, it would certainly have a negative impact on our business. >> mike, what are you hearing from employees or people applying to work at hobby works? do they have anxiety or do you think that their mood is improving as the economy improves in certain areas? >> well, you know, i think the