>> bill: they are not going to make more if the economy continues to contract in the sense that they don't hire. and small businesses isn't hiring because of obama care. so it's a cycle. >> it's a cycle of anxiety. and bill. >> bill: they don't think there is ever going to be an improvement. >> bill, it's the strangest thing. i think have a consensus on things like obama care. >> bill: most people don't want it. >> left and right. they don't want it, bill. yet, again, i'm directing this at the president. but we do have a president who says well, you know, i know that nobody, you know, most people don't want wild and i know it's unpopular and i know i have all these exceptions and delays and i have broken all these promises on cost caps and everything else. this is just what we have to have. people hear that and they are like what? >> americans elected a true believer, a true -- >> laura: not on everything. >> bill: the first time around the president tried to masquerade himself as a middle moderate guy. second time around it was