these small offenses, non-violent offenses is a pretty small number. what he is trying to do is be political about this. this isn't really about overcrowding. we're 40% of overcrowded at this point. maybe he will reduce it by 10%? this is not enough. bill: here is what he says. it is clear, too many americans go to many prisons for far too long and for no good law enforcement reason. >> that he is wrong birks in addition to that, we can not simply prosecute or incarcerate our way to becoming a safer nation. leslie? >> no, agree with that. i live in california where we have a three-strikes law. so i don't agree with roe's numbers at least here in the state of california. there are many people in the system with mandatory systems, caught with a dime bag their third time around for example. that is street lingo, guys, for marijuana. i know knowing about this personally. bill: calls for incarceration in 2010. cost was $80 billion.