and then, august 18th at herbal berts, his jazz club. >> you are at the harry chapin theater. >> yeah. >> i grew up while he was away. >> he was very interesting. wasn't he? >> what's that song? >> "cat's in the cradle" you did not know that song? you mr. culture? >> no. >> we will come in and get you. his bio. >> wait a minute, serious. we talk about culture all the time. and it's really something that is -- because sinatra was the first to come out against occasional and bigotry. >> lean forward into my hand. >> let's have the conversation in the break. >> anyway. we have to do -- >> he has brought more work to