of the justice department i would expect that there's going to be a jail sentence at the far end of this case for both of them. jamie: jeff, what's the message to folks out there who don't file tax returns which they're said to have not done, at least he has four or five years, who puff up their income on applications for loans? what is the message from you today? >> well, look, the federal government is very serious about that. we have a reality tv show where the individuals involved are paying contractors on tv, on camera with boatloads of cash. bad idea. jamie: all right. jeff, john, great insight today and the very latest from the court again, no plea offered bond, and they have to stick to new york and new jersey. not sure of the future of their television career at this point. >> they may be filming it somewhere else. >> they may be filming it right now. bill: jenna lee's standing by, "happening now" is 12 minutes away.