about this guy, ubben? >> there was talk in the community who was in the team out there. again this information, you have to be careful to some degree some of these people are operating undercover. there are systems in place to get their testimony. we're acting if this is the first time somebody undercover needed to be talked to by members of congress. it's insane. my other point, going to your opening about the phony scandals. if the president didn't intend to put the benghazi story into that pile of his so-called phony scandals, he should say so. otherwise, hard pressed to think of something so incredibly insensitive to call benghazi phony and hurt that it causes families. >> benghazi is still a complete mess today. today we had a jail-break in benghazi, thousand prisoners were released. obama administration wants