if you take the artificialality out, where does it go? i think this should be roman numeral i for obama and congress, they've got to do something. their role in the economy. they just punted by and large. >> let's pick up on that because as julie said, there's the argument in its own way that bernanke statement is good news, inflation is low, it may be tepid, but growth is continuing and it shows the economy is recovering. >> but worry for someone like bernanke, when interest rates are this level and this much stimulus in the economy from that, and the economy strengthens to the point we have reasonably robust growth, you're right on the danger point for outbreak of inflation. that's what a fed chief has to be concerned about.