congress. we have the new -- now the nsa revelations. what's your thought? >> it is surprising to me how quickly some of the folks that i will call the traditional indifference. are traditionally indifferent to these kinds of things are now talking about them back home. and i think this president is underestimating the fact that the seeds have been laid for real distrust of the presidency and this executive branch in the minds of the american people. i think it's a big problem. you add them all up, and you see an administration that is willing to expand the rollie of government, and allow government to do things americans have traditionally thought were unconstitutional. >> what is the real harm other than he walks away with a legacy that is unappeal something. >> it creates distrust in government. >> and then what? >> and then what you have is a populous that loses faith in its

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