apart. and that will happen with virtually -- you pick your person, any black person who says something that is not the described things they expect from a black person will be picked apart. don't pick me. pick anyone who decided not to go along with it. there is a price to pay. somebody the media agrees with. >> laura: i clerked for justice thomas in supreme court in the early '90s. we're joined by reverend jacque degross to weigh in on the issue. what do you make of justice thomas' comments there? >> i appreciate his sensitivity from what he went through in the nomination hearings. but the fact of the matter is every african-american who stepped forward for major office at the presidential level and other office undergone excruciating