be seen when it first came out. >> let's go back to rick, as someone who has been a source for journalists, and former spokesperson and-- >> possibly with somebody at the table, perhaps. >> explain to folks, i don't know that everybody fully understands the relationship between sources and reporters and why that, that agreement between them when it requires anonymity, what happens when it's broken. >> it's certainly very important and sources are the ones, consistent sources, most people. we know who is pushing the limit and who says things in the media that weren't quite exactly what we said. so there is he' a huge industry of people who know the reporters and too much. it's important to be able to get the story out and not play gotc gotcha politics. and the problem, focusing on on one world and not the spirit of the conversation.