>> well, i think it's -- you know, i don't know what word to use, that judgment i would say is asinine bordering on criminal if they're doing that. megyn, let's put this in perspective. they're not the first people to do this. the federal government did this in 1990 when they made schools gun-free zones so they did this in essence 23 years ago, did the same thing that the des moines register did yesterday or two days ago, so this is not the first time. >> megyn: there's been so much concern if we give teachers guns, is it going to result in an accidental death, is a student going to get his hands on the gun. i want to ask you about this, as somebody living with this policy already. >> it's an interesting thing, these are concealed handgun licenses, in the status quo, you have resource officers and security guards in open holsters. it's not going to happen if you walk up to someone, you don't know if they have a gun and not going to reach inside the clothing and groping, we have rules against that in society.