of debt it is. >> bill: no, money is money. >> that's not true, if i blue through the econoblew through l bush did, and the war and if i investigate in technology on-- >> that's an outlay of money that will not come back to the treasury. if it's an investment it will and-- >> you say the boon doggles, 20 billion to morrocan pottery is going to-- >> i didn't say anything about moroccan pottery. the whole point of the segment is to suggest that obama was way off base by saying we don't need a balanced budget. >> bill: it's not about a balanced budget, it's about a national debt that's going to be 20 trillion when he gets out of office. i'll give you the last word. >> the biggest point here is whether or not the economy is growing at a faster rate.