as they should be in my view. >> shepard: senator, part of this is about the battle for the heart and soul of the party. that's long-held republican and conservative view on war to avoid it at all costs. that sort of a voice has had a difficult time. the rand paul wing, if you will, has had a difficult time having its voice heard. you and others have been interventionists. let's intervene in sirra, intervene in libya, let's been, bomb, bomb, bomb iran, is it your sense that -- >> do you really believe that? you really believe that? >> shepard: sir, all i'm asking you, is it your sense that rand paul may be bridging together those people in the base whom align maybe in some cases more closely with the left than with the right? for instance, frank rich this morning, was on board with this. so was eugene robinson. >> let me say that senator paul was the one vote against the resolution in the united states senate that said we should not allow iran to acquire nuclear