they're trying to do this, because the democrats want to see the bad things happen because politically it improves their hand. a what charles was quoting, top lobbyists quoted as saying, worst case scenario he, the sequester would hit and nothing bad happens. >> and his point to bret last night was this, if this is where we are about nothing, if this is where we are in a fight about nothing. about a significantly insignificant anything and the monster eats that, and not a fight anymore, but a real fight. if we can't achieve it now when we've got cushion, imagine where we're going to end up. where the government is going to end up anyway when you get to the point where the entitlement monster ate it all. >> megyn: the entitlement monster, the visual works for me. all right, chris, thank you. >> you bet. the president and his cabinet