not having an income tax could really hurt working people? >> well, i just say, look at the data. have you a series of states that don't have any income tax, and they are generally some of the most growth-oriented stated in america. you can question regressist with it or a sales tax. i think those are legitimate questions to raise. but i think the american public wants to see job creation and the federal government needs to see revenue growth and growth in the economy and i think that's the key thing for us. how can we get the economy to grow in this country. >> eric: do you see -- now that you are back in washington, after many years there, do you see any hope, do you see any light at the end of the tunnel? we are going through this constantly, i mean, what is going on? what should they do? how do we kick them in the butt to get something done? >> it's starting to be confronted. unfortunately, for many years, this wasn't even confronted. now you are getting the