in and keeping the growth at least not going up as high as it should. you know, spending becomes a bigger issue, but i'm going to tell you this, charles, you know, one of the big problems that washington has is there is no growth agenda. everybody when they sit, sitting around for the longest time and talking about raising taxes. >> there's a growth incentive, it's fwrogrowth in taxes. >> i'm saying-- i understand that, but when was the last time somebody sat down and said how do we get the economy to grow. >> and what you're saying is actually two parts of the same coin. because there is no-- there are no guts out there down in d.c. and also no growth agenda because even that would take some sort of guts. right now, we're falling into the same welfare society mentality that killed europe and i tell you what, adam, ben, we've got to go, but i've got to tell you we know the numbers and at some point we've got to turn that clock around. that at the time clock keeps going up as we speak and no way in the world it's going to be-- there's going to be a safe