>> eric: i'm not sure we set it up properly. what he did is say i found out sometime between december and january when they had the national championship game and he didn't say anything. do you believe him? do you care? thoughts? >> dana: i thought that katie set a good tone for the interview. and that i think he came across as a lot more believable, credible, and more, i guess i was more empatheticbe toward him than when lance armendariz went on oprah. that -- lance armstrong went on oprah. i think this young man got himself involved in something he didn't set out intending to lie. however, bob, you make a good point. the only thing that gives mesopauses the thing with the father -- gives me pause is the thing with the father. one thing to have a relationship on the internet? would i tell my mom and dad about that? i don't think so. >> eric: maybe if you have a chance to win the heisman. >> greg: it's really, really, really hard to trust people that you meet online? i had met this 22-year-old