moreover, we've attached in one form or another, it gets complicated, but we've attached conditions on increasing the debt limit ceiling, graham rudman, the bill in 1986, i think it was, 1996, we have a done it a bunch of times, a perfectly reasonable thing to do. put some reasonable reforms in to say, look, we've got to pay our past bills, but this is the only chance we have of getting a bill for what we've already spent and a sense of how we're going it curtail future spending, maybe this is a good moment to figure out a way to do that and obama-- >> president obama keeps saying we can have that discussion, have that discussion about cutting spending, but the thing is, jonah, we never have that discussion. >> it's strange, obama ran a campaign saying we need a balanced approach, a balanced approach can't ask seniors to pay more without asking the rich to pay more so we have to raise taxes. so we raise taxes, we got pretty much exactly what obama asked for with a big tax hike and obama's response is, now