it's a diminishing return here. the difference is getting smaller and smaller. the growing segment is the libertarian network that's what we concentrate on my network and show. >> bill: let's take the debt ceiling which we just talked about. we owe $16.5 trillion. all right? obviously any intelligent person knows if we keep going this way the u.s. dollar is going to collapse which is why you demand to be paid in gold. >> i don't but that's not a bad idea. >> bill: libertarian say we don't want any paper money anymore? what do you want? >> i can't speak for the libertarian. >> bill: you said you are a libertarian. >> i am. i can speak for me as a libertarian. that is a very wide platform. for me, stop spending. cut the size of the government. go into reason. you were talking about this new coin. are you out of your mind? >> bill: they are not going to do that.