catastroph catastrophic, if washington d.c. doesn't work together-- >> angela, we've had that conversation for two years now, working together and mary anne we're at a point where something's going to have to be done. and even with the new taxes every american pitching in, we can't cover our debts. first of all, what do you think the chances are that the president will do that and what if our country gets downgraded again? what will that mean for the administration? mary anne? >> that can't happen. that can't happen and it's clear that the the president's going to do everything he can and he's made that clear last week. he's not going to put up with the last minute drama again. not going to put up with the last minute brinksmanship. >> jamie: how does he do that? >> well, i think the republicans have to understand if they don't get this job done with the president, if they shut down the government, if the country on the bills they've incurred, then they're going to lose the next election, that's what happened in the '90s. that helped-- when they shut down the government and reelected bill