i think there will be wall of shame. there's going to be big complaints. >> my gut feeling is nothing would be better than going over the fiscal cliff. it will hurt but five, ten years down the nothing, we'll be better and healthier. we just got news that president obama was going to meet or a phone call meet with some business leaders. >> right. the white house calling c.e.o.s, a regularly scheduled meeting. presumably it's a regular scheduled meeting not to say we're going over the fiscal cliff. >> the president won't be doing this but the white house will be. >> that's right. it will be interesting to see if we get response out of this. people in the meeting with the president could come to the microphones. so could c.e.o.s. >> we wanted to let you viewers know we're going to monitor the white house. we have two cameras focused on the white house waiting for the leaders to leave and