this is still about a chance -- we are fighting over the definition of mitt romney. this party able to do that and send him off? can the democratic party define him. keep defining the way they have, bain, not doing your tax returns. i think today and the rest of this week and the democratic convention could decide something. these conventions could matter because it is who defines mitt romney. martha: when you look at the definition we were presented with of mitt romney. he came across as a greenup, as the dad, the ceo, the task-oriented guy, ann romney said it's a strong moment, this man will not fail. what we are getting is this package that says, no, he's not chris christie, he's not going to knock our socks off with his