have you met paul ryan? it is amazing. i thought i was good with arithmetic. he can run circles around me. he is honest and straight forward and sincere. the budget he came forward with is just like paul ryan. it is a sensible, straight forward, honest, serious budget. >> that was from september of 2011. that is the co chair of this president's debt commission. he is a former chief of staff for bill clinton who had good things to say as the man who would emerge as the vice presidential candidate for the republican ticket in 2012. we have paul ryan's rival now dan holland. there is not a unanimous point of anti-ryan views among your colleagues. what do you make of that and what he was saying about ryan? >> well, neil, as you may know i get along very well permanently with paul -- personally on paul ryan.