under bill clinton. id ask my brain room staff to put together a list of new taxes that president obama has either passed or wants to pass. they are staggering. they are taxes that people don't know about. so, yes, you are right on othe income tax level, 36% is less than the 39% plus under president clinton. but the other taxes, property taxes, state taxes, all of the other taxes have zoomed up to a level and now the president wants to raise the social security tax. he wants to raise the capital gains tax. he wants to raise the tax on interest to the level of your income tax. he wants to do more taxation than any other time in the history of this country. >> no, see. >> bill: but even if the numbers -- even if you and i can't agree on the numbers, let's see if we can agree on the philosophy which is really what the debate is all about. >> okay. >> bill: the president wants social justice, redistributing