some associated with al qaeda, could be to blame. after days of trying a convoy arrived in a town to find it almost deserted with buildings burned down, shops abandoned and a body lying in the street. >>shepard: thank you, gregg jarrett. and now former defense secretary during the clinton administration, and currently the chairman of the business consulting firm. secretary, where are we? >>guest: well, we are not very far along in dealing with the russians who seem to be going back to the future. acting more like the former soviet union than a new russia. president obama when he meets with president putin really has to come to a conclusion here if this continues to go on without resolve, we will see escalation on both sides, weapons are going to be flowing in to the resistance, it will be, in addition to a civil war, more like a proxy war, with the sunni