we don't do something immediately, very quickly, we are not going to recover, we are going into a freeh fall. we can't pay the interest on the debt. you know, we could -- just the interest on debt alone, we could hire 37 million teachers every year, tucker. >> that's an awful lot of teachers with 315 million people. every household, $561,000 in debt. >> i would respect the white house more if they said, yeah, you know, we really are spending more than twice the level of president bush, we are doing what he did in two terms. and it's worth it. and we dolled it again f. we had an opportunity, we would double down on the next administration. i mean, they won't say that, though. they will say, no -- that's not really the number. and don't worry about that. no one has to pay for this in the future. it's just a number. >> that would be a bold statement of the truth. but shouldn't -- reverend, you are moving with speed, i canning