credentials and i think it was going to happen anyway, but it wasn't about to happen, what they were planning, in the last two days, and biden did push it, and pushed it forward. >> well, so what? it's a question of timing and happens now as opposed to happening in august. the real issue is, i think, i agree with dorothy, i think it's going to help him on the left. because he would have taken enormous abuse from the new york times and "the washington post," as a white house official was quoted as saying if he hadn't. >> as the saying goes, gay politics ain't bean bags, it gets rough. they start leaning on the president, i agree with jane, it has to do with money and turg out the base, younger voters very much in favor of this, but it it was not a slam-dunk, in ohio recent polls, pretty recent put opposition of gay marriage 52-32.