devices, sometimes it's using boots on the ground. a lot of times it's using our allies, and that's why these intelligence relationships among a number of nations are very important part of the strategy of counterterrorism. jenna: secretary chert off, always nice to have you. we appreciate it. >> good to be on. jon: national security policy will be a key factor in the upcoming presidential race. today we look at where the candidates stand in the battle to keep americans safe from terrorism. michael barone is senior political analyst at the washington examiner and a fox news contributor. of that plot that jenna was just talking about with the former homeland security secretary is, perhaps, the kind of thing that is likely to come up. i mean, the cia apparently uncovered this plot, the question is when did everyone in the administration know about it? >> well, i'm not sure that this particular incident, jon, is going to become a cam pape