in office and i don't think he will have a second, without having created a net single job, we will have job losses, rising unemployment, anemic growth at best. $5 trillion, we passed this mark in terms of debt. he called george bush unpatriotic for $4 trillion in debt in 8 years. what is your reaction to the debt number? >> lthe debt number is alarming. and gives you great concern, of course, because we are, we are moving toward the greek-type numbers. my guess is at the democratic convention, he will not be appearing in front of columns like in denver. he won't want to re-mind people of greece. this administration is adding debt at an alarming debt and that has the potential to send our economy into a tailspin, at some point, but it certainly has the very real risk of causing the next generation not to be able to realize the american dream because of the debt and the interest they will be paying off in their lifetimes.