how high will they go? they could easily break the record that we set in 2008 of $4.11. so, unfortunately, things still going to get worse at the pump. jenna: when diane that would happen? >> i think the most likely time is in the month of may. anywhere from the first to second week is most likely x then prices will actually start declining as we approach memorial day and turn to june. jenna: so you're actually putting a number on this, patrick, an over/under maybe? what's the number you're looking for? what do you think it's going to hit? >> well, you know, i think it may play out very close to what we saw last year. we may breach $4 just by a little bit. last year for reference, $3.98 hit in the second week of may. i think we'll just barely breach that, maybe $4.05 by the time prices peak. jenna: so not more than 4.11, right? >> i'm hoping. jenna: okay. no, we had some reports yesterday and the white house came out and dismissed them about potentially the strategic