primary fight between obama and clinton. obviously that didn't turn out to be true. could we go back to your thieves for a moment? i think you have hit on something there which i think santorum and gingrich do agree with you that those five big states are where the contest is going to be settled. i think that's substantially right but not completely right because remember new york and texas are proportional. and even -- the winner take all states california and new jersey give out a slug of their delegates in the case of california, 159 of 172 are awarded at the federal district level and new jersey 36 of 50 so that means that, you know, we are likely to come out of these four big contests. let's say that someone wins 60% of the vote and someone wins 40% of the vote. that means out of all those four big states up there, they gain an advantage of about 100 delegates over the guy who comes in with 40%. >> bill: let me challenge the cardboard thing is that cardboard. >> no it's a $6.95 white

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