experience and causes them to come back and say, i've been through trials and tribulations and lived through it. perry wasn't able to. he never got a second look. rather than stand on a debate stage tonight and come in fifth in a field of five, he takes himself out of the play, he's no longer in it and newt gingrich gets the benefit of his endorsement. bill: thank you, carl we'll be back with you a little bit later this hour. carl is in charleston. martha: back to new york and back to charleston again, john roberts is standing by speaking with governor nikki haley and getting her reaction to a very volum volatile situation on the ground, john. >> reporter: governor nikki hayley is here. you've supported mitt romney. what do you make of rick perry dropping out of race and throwing his support behind newt gingrich. >> this is what primaries are all about. they decide who they like. certainly the voters will be the ones who decide on saturday.