success in cutting the debt? >> you mean because of the trigger? >> gregg: yes? >> either way it's going to be $1.2 trillion, but the bottom line $1.2 trillion really isn't enough. that is sort of the point. we have all of this lead-ups, that is nothing. it's not going to solve the problem whether they do it through the super committee or do it through the triggers. >> gregg: we're going to spend $44 trillion and we're already $15 trillion in debt. you may have the winning argument right there. thanks for doing that. >> i agree completely. >> gregg: you get to join in on the winning argument. good to see you both, thanks so much. >> heather: fox news alert, a new party winning elections