>> i am not even kidding. >> i am going to agree with one part of what you said. we all put ourselves in the category. >> but i will respectfully disagree. when girls go pick up beauty magazines they are filled with models and beautiful people. not because they think they mess -- necessarily are, but somebody they could look like. i disagree with you. i think people do want to see somebody who they say, wow, he is smart. wow, he can really be a leader. i wish i could talk in front of millions of people like that. i wish i had that knowledge. i think people do want to be impressed by somebody, and they are not. >> i think to your point and bill's point, these gaps are starting to hurt candidates. perry nosedived, the latest poll shows cain knows -- nose diving. >> that's what you think. >> i'm being the politician here. i agree with both of you. you want somebody that you can