the $1.2 trillion mandates that the committee has been given is insufficient and really kicking the can down the road and we're out of road right now. and they have to get to at least $4 trillion in order to stablize the debt and to start paying down our deficit. i'd like to see them go bigger than $4 billion. if they can get to the $6 billion level, that would be very important also. >> congressman shuler, you know the deal. we'll line up both plans now and listen to satellite radio to be able to take them in. you know the deal where you say go big and go home. if i'm a republican and i say revenue increases, i'm going to lose all my support. if i'm a democrat and i cut entitlements, that means i'm going to lose my job. how do we get the people thinking less about themselves and more about the country? >> i think that's -- that's the part of it that it's what can we do for our country? not what our country can always do for us. we have to make really tough decisions and we got -- have to do it together. it has to be both democrats and republicans working in a bipartisan way and finding a