and north carolina democrat heath shuler. welcome to both of you guys. why do you think it was necessary to put this out, congressman shuler? >> it was very important that there's no more pressing issue that we're faced in this country that the debt and deficit that we continue down this path for the last 10 years. we have to get on the path for recovery. the best way to do that is show support that we must go big. $4 trillion in savings that we must find and the only way to do that is have support in a bipartisan way with democrats and republicans. dropping that political barrier between the two, the rhetoric that's been going on for quite sometime and say we're going to stand together and make a clear path to recovery. >> let's talk about debt a little bit. representative shuler says $4 trillion. the g.o.p. agree with the $4 trillion number? >> i think every organization, every independent committee, every individual that's looked at our financial situation says